From dwmw2@infradead.org Wed Apr 30 10:42:02 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:42:40 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1761964AbYD3RmX convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:42:23 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758543AbYD3RmM (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:42:12 -0400 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:45522 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1758505AbYD3RmK (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:42:10 -0400 Received: from pmac.infradead.org ([2001:8b0:10b:1:20d:93ff:fe7a:3f2c]) by pentafluge.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.68 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1JrGJg-0005Ve-EF; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:42:04 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list From: David Woodhouse To: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org Cc: Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:42:02 +0100 Message-Id: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-1.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Andrew Morton has been saying recently that we need an 'embedded maintainer', to take responsibility for 'embedded issues' in the core kernel, as well as trying to improve our relationship with those using the Linux kernel for 'embedded' devices -- who have a reputation of not working with us very closely; to their detriment as well as our own. Various people, including myself, have been doing that kind of thing on and off over the years anyway, but Andrew is probably right that it's worth having someone listed in the MAINTAINERS file who actually considers it their responsibility, and as a point of contact for people seeking advice, review, etc. I've volunteered to take a more active r=C3=B4le in this, and Wind Rive= r has agreed to assign Paul Gortmaker to it, too. The following patch adds both of us to the MAINTAINERS file. We have also set up a mailing list, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, where development related to embedded stuff can happen in a slightly less noisy environment than the main linux-kernel list. We'd like to encourage anyone working on Linux in embedded devices to join the list. --=20 dwmw2 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel"= in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ From dwmw2@infradead.org Wed Apr 30 10:44:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:45:14 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1763203AbYD3Ro6 (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:44:58 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758750AbYD3Rot (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:44:49 -0400 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:40826 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755997AbYD3Ros (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:44:48 -0400 Received: from pmac.infradead.org ([2001:8b0:10b:1:20d:93ff:fe7a:3f2c]) by pentafluge.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.68 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1JrGMG-0005XZ-Ux; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:44:45 +0000 Subject: [PATCH 1/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list From: David Woodhouse To: torvalds@linux-foundation.org Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird In-Reply-To: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:44:43 +0100 Message-Id: <1209577483.25560.405.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-1.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bad-Reply: References and In-Reply-To but no 'Re:' in Subject. X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Add Paul and myself, and the linux-embedded list, to MAINTAINERS. Signed-off-by: David Woodhouse Signed-off-by: Paul Gortmaker diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS index bca09ed..3650ed1 100644 --- a/MAINTAINERS +++ b/MAINTAINERS @@ -1550,6 +1550,14 @@ M: raisch@de.ibm.com L: general@lists.openfabrics.org S: Supported +EMBEDDED LINUX +P: Paul Gortmaker +M: paul.gortmaker@windriver.com +P David Woodhouse +M: dwmw2@infradead.org +L: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org +S: Maintained + EMULEX LPFC FC SCSI DRIVER P: James Smart M: james.smart@emulex.com -- dwmw2 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ From andi@firstfloor.org Wed Apr 30 11:22:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:22:12 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760488AbYD3SWM (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:22:12 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1760243AbYD3SWL (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:22:11 -0400 Received: from smtp-out01.alice-dsl.net ([88.44.60.11]:19440 "EHLO smtp-out01.alice-dsl.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1760488AbYD3SWJ (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:22:09 -0400 Received: from out.alice-dsl.de ([192.168.125.62]) by smtp-out01.alice-dsl.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:15:14 +0200 Received: from basil.firstfloor.org ([78.53.157.223]) by out.alice-dsl.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:15:13 +0200 Received: by basil.firstfloor.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 72F181B41ED; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:22:07 +0200 (CEST) To: David Woodhouse Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list From: Andi Kleen References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:22:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> (David Woodhouse's message of "Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:42:02 +0100") Message-ID: <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1008 (Gnus v5.10.8) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2008 18:15:14.0002 (UTC) FILETIME=[22A1B320:01C8AAEE] Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org David Woodhouse writes: > Andrew Morton has been saying recently that we need an 'embedded > maintainer', to take responsibility for 'embedded issues' in the core > kernel, as well as trying to improve our relationship with those using > the Linux kernel for 'embedded' devices -- who have a reputation of > not working with us very closely; to their detriment as well as our > own. I hope your job description doesn't include adding more and more CONFIGs though. I am sure there are lots of low hanging fruit where memory can be saved and it's a good thing someone cares about that, but please don't focus on the code size only. Or if you work on that don't do it using CONFIG or when you really add a new one find some other that is pointless and remove it first. There are simply already far too many of them and they make the kernel harder and harder to change. -Andi -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From jwboyer@linux.vnet.ibm.com Wed Apr 30 11:26:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:26:57 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759280AbYD3S05 convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:26:57 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1759579AbYD3S05 (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:26:57 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.178]:57328 "EHLO py-out-1112.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1759280AbYD3S0z (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:26:55 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so985768pyb.10 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:26:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=CUhb4gbdMqiwZwNv3KxWK/sg19Hdx/8JudvMVN/EyUY=; b=pvR7HECW0B9FLgsMGzCBW9RtnhJFmwNmkbqjaY/vdEcQSRJY4ZDVgj9E19LcAplxRc9Uc9D7DE10z6EJmz6OuahP2cfKQ74Ffrmq7k16w325exk0fdm0zM/SsCH42pO9I84GhAR1CiCjEwnY0I77u+qXuE5JKDO/58zzu6H/aYo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=vNZCNhCDdw+cIkM1dqHA9zxgRHyS37IKFp1KOE0jNBdsxbYojdhUVbQj1WxrYsXTGE55xlI1Xkj3ix7oZEJDfLvV06iQM83WEiz3FBhzhLGs/YtmrVwA6WeIio+I6R7oR6kZAfqICnS22UhwfxBzA6FcKyeXPQPfGsR+4bzElVo= Received: by 10.35.68.3 with SMTP id v3mr1995405pyk.32.1209580012318; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [68.115.98.121]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w43sm1978874pyg.42.2008.04.30.11.26.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list From: Josh Boyer Reply-To: jwboyer@linux.vnet.ibm.com To: David Woodhouse Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird In-Reply-To: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:26:49 -0500 Message-Id: <1209580009.2946.98.camel@vader.jdub.homelinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-1.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 18:42 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > Andrew Morton has been saying recently that we need an 'embedded > maintainer', to take responsibility for 'embedded issues' in the core > kernel, as well as trying to improve our relationship with those usin= g > the Linux kernel for 'embedded' devices -- who have a reputation of > not working with us very closely; to their detriment as well as our > own. >=20 > Various people, including myself, have been doing that kind of thing > on and off over the years anyway, but Andrew is probably right that > it's worth having someone listed in the MAINTAINERS file who actually > considers it their responsibility, and as a point of contact for > people seeking advice, review, etc. >=20 > I've volunteered to take a more active r=C3=B4le in this, and Wind Ri= ver > has agreed to assign Paul Gortmaker to it, too. The following patch > adds both of us to the MAINTAINERS file. Excellent news. > We have also set up a mailing list, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, > where development related to embedded stuff can happen in a slightly > less noisy environment than the main linux-kernel list. We'd like to > encourage anyone working on Linux in embedded devices to join the lis= t. Do you see this list as a general embedded patch/issues discussion list= , a help list, a list for vendors to interact with the community, or all of the above? I ask because having the entry in MAINTAINERS is great, but I expect some to be a bit confused as to what that actually means. josh -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedde= d" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From dwmw2@infradead.org Wed Apr 30 11:43:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:44:07 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759102AbYD3SoH (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:44:07 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758908AbYD3SoH (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:44:07 -0400 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:58367 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755419AbYD3SoE (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:44:04 -0400 Received: from pmac.infradead.org ([2001:8b0:10b:1:20d:93ff:fe7a:3f2c]) by pentafluge.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.68 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1JrHHQ-0006C3-Se; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:43:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list From: David Woodhouse To: jwboyer@linux.vnet.ibm.com Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird In-Reply-To: <1209580009.2946.98.camel@vader.jdub.homelinux.org> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1209580009.2946.98.camel@vader.jdub.homelinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:43:43 +0100 Message-Id: <1209581023.25560.436.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-1.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 13:26 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > Do you see this list as a general embedded patch/issues discussion list, > a help list, a list for vendors to interact with the community, or all > of the above? All of the above -- although I dislike the phrase 'interact with the community'. I want vendors to be _part_ of the community, not outsiders who merely interact with it. -- dwmw2 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From jwboyer@linux.vnet.ibm.com Wed Apr 30 11:45:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:45:26 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755476AbYD3SpZ (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:45:25 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758747AbYD3SpZ (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:45:25 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.182]:26642 "EHLO py-out-1112.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755794AbYD3SpX (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:45:23 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so994382pyb.10 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:45:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=NMujz93+vJmsDLkfSCYzryETU+fCc4e/z2VqsE3wiaQ=; b=AZsU4knW35rOgu7j007zXQ8UKWtRzTumubqraIJUO6N6koZPjbvMzW0Vag1rPeJaVFP6UIlREJFK3WVEKdrl0Lsm1ehBvN8NtI0NBnrC7p4TqRYYD7RF6If2R5+KYIIGGwGm6AL7FHIh1hqWrjcP/c5pJzzehXCqIw/h4gPWH8k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=lY8j+kHwFIsTOT+/JeELwF7zmghkJvHYBGyU1FvLeuTk9uPLFIzUTLLKnSmtWuos/vh5S1AmkhEMavwbdrNKYFkBDrtP5AGPCPGSdxCYJHK/pw3T7yGUs+fXT60RlURZspa08xiUwSttciijBA+8ymddZB7rG72/QM7yT9nxI9s= Received: by 10.35.21.11 with SMTP id y11mr2076925pyi.3.1209581122546; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [68.115.98.121]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z52sm2020852pyg.1.2008.04.30.11.45.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list From: Josh Boyer Reply-To: jwboyer@linux.vnet.ibm.com To: David Woodhouse Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird In-Reply-To: <1209581023.25560.436.camel@pmac.infradead.org> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1209580009.2946.98.camel@vader.jdub.homelinux.org> <1209581023.25560.436.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:45:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1209581119.2946.104.camel@vader.jdub.homelinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-1.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 19:43 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 13:26 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > > Do you see this list as a general embedded patch/issues discussion list, > > a help list, a list for vendors to interact with the community, or all > > of the above? > > All of the above -- although I dislike the phrase 'interact with the > community'. I want vendors to be _part_ of the community, not outsiders > who merely interact with it. Sure, agreed. Have to start somewhere though. josh -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From dwmw2@infradead.org Wed Apr 30 12:11:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:11:58 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760537AbYD3TL6 (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:11:58 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1760605AbYD3TL6 (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:11:58 -0400 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:56372 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1760537AbYD3TL5 (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:11:57 -0400 Received: from pmac.infradead.org ([2001:8b0:10b:1:20d:93ff:fe7a:3f2c]) by pentafluge.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.68 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1JrHiZ-0006Xq-LH; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:11:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list From: David Woodhouse To: Andi Kleen Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird In-Reply-To: <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:11:49 +0100 Message-Id: <1209582709.25560.441.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-1.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 20:22 +0200, Andi Kleen wrote: > David Woodhouse writes: > > > Andrew Morton has been saying recently that we need an 'embedded > > maintainer', to take responsibility for 'embedded issues' in the core > > kernel, as well as trying to improve our relationship with those using > > the Linux kernel for 'embedded' devices -- who have a reputation of > > not working with us very closely; to their detriment as well as our > > own. > > I hope your job description doesn't include adding more and more > CONFIGs though. > > I am sure there are lots of low hanging fruit where memory can be > saved and it's a good thing someone cares about that, but please don't > focus on the code size only. Or if you work on that don't do it > using CONFIG or when you really add a new one find some other > that is pointless and remove it first. > > There are simply already far too many of them and they make the > kernel harder and harder to change. I agree. And if we do want to pay attention to pure code size, there are other approaches -- like --gc-sections and/or building with '--combine -fwhole-program' which I was playing with for OLPC a while back. I must dust that off now that the GCC fixes should mostly have made it into current distributions. -- dwmw2 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From andi@firstfloor.org Wed Apr 30 11:22:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:23:10 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1764328AbYD3SWr (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:22:47 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1760913AbYD3SWL (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:22:11 -0400 Received: from smtp-out01.alice-dsl.net ([88.44.60.11]:19440 "EHLO smtp-out01.alice-dsl.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1760488AbYD3SWJ (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:22:09 -0400 Received: from out.alice-dsl.de ([192.168.125.62]) by smtp-out01.alice-dsl.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:15:14 +0200 Received: from basil.firstfloor.org ([78.53.157.223]) by out.alice-dsl.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:15:13 +0200 Received: by basil.firstfloor.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 72F181B41ED; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:22:07 +0200 (CEST) To: David Woodhouse Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list From: Andi Kleen References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:22:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> (David Woodhouse's message of "Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:42:02 +0100") Message-ID: <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1008 (Gnus v5.10.8) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2008 18:15:14.0002 (UTC) FILETIME=[22A1B320:01C8AAEE] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org David Woodhouse writes: > Andrew Morton has been saying recently that we need an 'embedded > maintainer', to take responsibility for 'embedded issues' in the core > kernel, as well as trying to improve our relationship with those using > the Linux kernel for 'embedded' devices -- who have a reputation of > not working with us very closely; to their detriment as well as our > own. I hope your job description doesn't include adding more and more CONFIGs though. I am sure there are lots of low hanging fruit where memory can be saved and it's a good thing someone cares about that, but please don't focus on the code size only. Or if you work on that don't do it using CONFIG or when you really add a new one find some other that is pointless and remove it first. There are simply already far too many of them and they make the kernel harder and harder to change. -Andi -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ From dwmw2@infradead.org Wed Apr 30 12:11:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:12:26 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1762773AbYD3TMN (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:12:13 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1761687AbYD3TL6 (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:11:58 -0400 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:56372 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1760537AbYD3TL5 (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:11:57 -0400 Received: from pmac.infradead.org ([2001:8b0:10b:1:20d:93ff:fe7a:3f2c]) by pentafluge.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.68 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1JrHiZ-0006Xq-LH; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:11:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list From: David Woodhouse To: Andi Kleen Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird In-Reply-To: <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:11:49 +0100 Message-Id: <1209582709.25560.441.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-1.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 20:22 +0200, Andi Kleen wrote: > David Woodhouse writes: > > > Andrew Morton has been saying recently that we need an 'embedded > > maintainer', to take responsibility for 'embedded issues' in the core > > kernel, as well as trying to improve our relationship with those using > > the Linux kernel for 'embedded' devices -- who have a reputation of > > not working with us very closely; to their detriment as well as our > > own. > > I hope your job description doesn't include adding more and more > CONFIGs though. > > I am sure there are lots of low hanging fruit where memory can be > saved and it's a good thing someone cares about that, but please don't > focus on the code size only. Or if you work on that don't do it > using CONFIG or when you really add a new one find some other > that is pointless and remove it first. > > There are simply already far too many of them and they make the > kernel harder and harder to change. I agree. And if we do want to pay attention to pure code size, there are other approaches -- like --gc-sections and/or building with '--combine -fwhole-program' which I was playing with for OLPC a while back. I must dust that off now that the GCC fixes should mostly have made it into current distributions. -- dwmw2 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ From jwboyer@linux.vnet.ibm.com Wed Apr 30 11:26:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:27:32 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1762882AbYD3S1M convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:27:12 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1759388AbYD3S05 (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:26:57 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.179]:56061 "EHLO py-out-1112.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1758524AbYD3S0z (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:26:55 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so985769pyb.10 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:26:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=CUhb4gbdMqiwZwNv3KxWK/sg19Hdx/8JudvMVN/EyUY=; b=pvR7HECW0B9FLgsMGzCBW9RtnhJFmwNmkbqjaY/vdEcQSRJY4ZDVgj9E19LcAplxRc9Uc9D7DE10z6EJmz6OuahP2cfKQ74Ffrmq7k16w325exk0fdm0zM/SsCH42pO9I84GhAR1CiCjEwnY0I77u+qXuE5JKDO/58zzu6H/aYo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=vNZCNhCDdw+cIkM1dqHA9zxgRHyS37IKFp1KOE0jNBdsxbYojdhUVbQj1WxrYsXTGE55xlI1Xkj3ix7oZEJDfLvV06iQM83WEiz3FBhzhLGs/YtmrVwA6WeIio+I6R7oR6kZAfqICnS22UhwfxBzA6FcKyeXPQPfGsR+4bzElVo= Received: by 10.35.68.3 with SMTP id v3mr1995405pyk.32.1209580012318; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [68.115.98.121]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w43sm1978874pyg.42.2008.04.30.11.26.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list From: Josh Boyer Reply-To: jwboyer@linux.vnet.ibm.com To: David Woodhouse Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird In-Reply-To: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf8 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:26:49 -0500 Message-Id: <1209580009.2946.98.camel@vader.jdub.homelinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-1.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 18:42 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > Andrew Morton has been saying recently that we need an 'embedded > maintainer', to take responsibility for 'embedded issues' in the core > kernel, as well as trying to improve our relationship with those usin= g > the Linux kernel for 'embedded' devices -- who have a reputation of > not working with us very closely; to their detriment as well as our > own. >=20 > Various people, including myself, have been doing that kind of thing > on and off over the years anyway, but Andrew is probably right that > it's worth having someone listed in the MAINTAINERS file who actually > considers it their responsibility, and as a point of contact for > people seeking advice, review, etc. >=20 > I've volunteered to take a more active r=C3=B4le in this, and Wind Ri= ver > has agreed to assign Paul Gortmaker to it, too. The following patch > adds both of us to the MAINTAINERS file. Excellent news. > We have also set up a mailing list, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, > where development related to embedded stuff can happen in a slightly > less noisy environment than the main linux-kernel list. We'd like to > encourage anyone working on Linux in embedded devices to join the lis= t. Do you see this list as a general embedded patch/issues discussion list= , a help list, a list for vendors to interact with the community, or all of the above? I ask because having the entry in MAINTAINERS is great, but I expect some to be a bit confused as to what that actually means. josh -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel"= in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ From dwmw2@infradead.org Wed Apr 30 11:43:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:44:43 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1764086AbYD3SoV (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:44:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758902AbYD3SoH (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:44:07 -0400 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:58367 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755419AbYD3SoE (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:44:04 -0400 Received: from pmac.infradead.org ([2001:8b0:10b:1:20d:93ff:fe7a:3f2c]) by pentafluge.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.68 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1JrHHQ-0006C3-Se; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:43:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list From: David Woodhouse To: jwboyer@linux.vnet.ibm.com Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird In-Reply-To: <1209580009.2946.98.camel@vader.jdub.homelinux.org> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1209580009.2946.98.camel@vader.jdub.homelinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:43:43 +0100 Message-Id: <1209581023.25560.436.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-1.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 13:26 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > Do you see this list as a general embedded patch/issues discussion list, > a help list, a list for vendors to interact with the community, or all > of the above? All of the above -- although I dislike the phrase 'interact with the community'. I want vendors to be _part_ of the community, not outsiders who merely interact with it. -- dwmw2 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ From jwboyer@linux.vnet.ibm.com Wed Apr 30 11:45:19 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:46:01 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1764551AbYD3Spk (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:45:40 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1759378AbYD3SpZ (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:45:25 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.183]:27517 "EHLO py-out-1112.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755476AbYD3SpX (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:45:23 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so994383pyb.10 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:45:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=NMujz93+vJmsDLkfSCYzryETU+fCc4e/z2VqsE3wiaQ=; b=AZsU4knW35rOgu7j007zXQ8UKWtRzTumubqraIJUO6N6koZPjbvMzW0Vag1rPeJaVFP6UIlREJFK3WVEKdrl0Lsm1ehBvN8NtI0NBnrC7p4TqRYYD7RF6If2R5+KYIIGGwGm6AL7FHIh1hqWrjcP/c5pJzzehXCqIw/h4gPWH8k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=lY8j+kHwFIsTOT+/JeELwF7zmghkJvHYBGyU1FvLeuTk9uPLFIzUTLLKnSmtWuos/vh5S1AmkhEMavwbdrNKYFkBDrtP5AGPCPGSdxCYJHK/pw3T7yGUs+fXT60RlURZspa08xiUwSttciijBA+8ymddZB7rG72/QM7yT9nxI9s= Received: by 10.35.21.11 with SMTP id y11mr2076925pyi.3.1209581122546; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [68.115.98.121]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z52sm2020852pyg.1.2008.04.30.11.45.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list From: Josh Boyer Reply-To: jwboyer@linux.vnet.ibm.com To: David Woodhouse Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird In-Reply-To: <1209581023.25560.436.camel@pmac.infradead.org> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1209580009.2946.98.camel@vader.jdub.homelinux.org> <1209581023.25560.436.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:45:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1209581119.2946.104.camel@vader.jdub.homelinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-1.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 19:43 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 13:26 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > > Do you see this list as a general embedded patch/issues discussion list, > > a help list, a list for vendors to interact with the community, or all > > of the above? > > All of the above -- although I dislike the phrase 'interact with the > community'. I want vendors to be _part_ of the community, not outsiders > who merely interact with it. Sure, agreed. Have to start somewhere though. josh -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ From bunk@kernel.org Wed Apr 30 16:34:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:35:18 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757664AbYD3XfS (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:35:18 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1757517AbYD3XfR (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:35:17 -0400 Received: from smtp6.pp.htv.fi ([213.243.153.40]:35523 "EHLO smtp6.pp.htv.fi" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756050AbYD3XfQ (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:35:16 -0400 Received: from cs181133002.pp.htv.fi (cs181133002.pp.htv.fi [82.181.133.2]) by smtp6.pp.htv.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74195BC003; Thu, 1 May 2008 02:35:14 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 02:34:31 +0300 From: Adrian Bunk To: David Woodhouse Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Message-ID: <20080430233431.GL29330@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 06:42:02PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > Andrew Morton has been saying recently that we need an 'embedded > maintainer', to take responsibility for 'embedded issues' in the core > kernel, as well as trying to improve our relationship with those using > the Linux kernel for 'embedded' devices -- who have a reputation of > not working with us very closely; to their detriment as well as our > own. > > Various people, including myself, have been doing that kind of thing > on and off over the years anyway, but Andrew is probably right that > it's worth having someone listed in the MAINTAINERS file who actually > considers it their responsibility, and as a point of contact for > people seeking advice, review, etc. >... MAINTAINERS is mostly for finding the right contact for bug reports and patches. For what should I Cc you and for what should I Cc you not? > dwmw2 cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From dwmw2@infradead.org Thu May 1 00:04:55 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 00:05:52 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753449AbYEAHFZ convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 03:05:25 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753820AbYEAHFY (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 03:05:24 -0400 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:56425 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753449AbYEAHFX (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 03:05:23 -0400 Received: from pmac.infradead.org ([2001:8b0:10b:1:20d:93ff:fe7a:3f2c]) by pentafluge.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.68 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1JrSqt-0004sk-Ny; Thu, 01 May 2008 07:05:13 +0000 Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list From: David Woodhouse To: Adrian Bunk Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird In-Reply-To: <20080430233431.GL29330@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080430233431.GL29330@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 08:04:55 +0100 Message-Id: <1209625495.25560.466.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-1.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 02:34 +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 06:42:02PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > Andrew Morton has been saying recently that we need an 'embedded > > maintainer', to take responsibility for 'embedded issues' in the co= re > > kernel, as well as trying to improve our relationship with those us= ing > > the Linux kernel for 'embedded' devices -- who have a reputation of > > not working with us very closely; to their detriment as well as our > > own. > >=20 > > Various people, including myself, have been doing that kind of thin= g > > on and off over the years anyway, but Andrew is probably right that > > it's worth having someone listed in the MAINTAINERS file who actual= ly > > considers it their responsibility, and as a point of contact for > > people seeking advice, review, etc. > >... >=20 > MAINTAINERS is mostly for finding the right contact for bug reports a= nd=20 > patches. >=20 > For what should I Cc you and for what should I Cc you not? The r=C3=B4le of 'embedded maintainer' is a little different to other maintainers -- it's not about owning a certain part of the code. We nee= d to keep an eye on changes throughout the kernel, for how they affect embedded systems. That's not just 'bloatwatch', but other things too -- making sure that people don't keep assuming that "all the world's a PC"= , for sure, but also feature requests -- talking to those working on XIP for S390 block devices, and trying to ensure that the infrastructure work they do is useful for XIP from flash in embedded systems, to pick an example from the not-so-distant past. So I can't really give you a simple answer to the question. It's "anything which could have implications for embedded systems which normal people might not have thought of". But I'll continue to trawl linux-kernel with that mindset anyway, so I wouldn't worry _too_ much. I see the linux-embedded list being mostly useful in bringing developer= s "into the fold" from companies who have largely been resistant to being part of the community. Asking them to join linux-kernel is probably not a good idea; I see it as a kind of targeted kernelnewbies, in one sense= =2E --=20 dwmw2 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedde= d" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From bart.vanassche@gmail.com Thu May 1 02:55:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 02:55:56 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758795AbYEAJzz (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 05:55:55 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758898AbYEAJzz (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 05:55:55 -0400 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]:47130 "EHLO fg-out-1718.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1758795AbYEAJzx (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 05:55:53 -0400 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so490998fgg.17 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 02:55:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+t3KOide66Ri+exRAM4C0OHsIQzE/oEXfyhaaBZ4T6E=; b=TsDdR3K6XurhFJvuspGhWip+sof2Q06H6pT3C9naSWRaKG40gKsqVYmx7ok/AK6J1WKGwc/DpYIZ09eHsLaUSBbJdcSpNKOur/HkxYrw2R3EBPWz9taGYjT8pL2nQ5x7ef5fg96gZ4fa88Jv4DrBpcsnD0jWNoJHE/3VekzqHz4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i34B3umA/bCpz2+CGId3kmWJWhkmtq4wgXE2EJamD/pb9eXJD6bySX2cjUZigQ1o+XRYjtIMPszd0f96avEmKg2J2PLqjpsq+QIjeWx9KVJbo7mi/ryaNjHkWfiPEffRgs0XcyaEGM9xG/XZFQ9n8xBebwZ1SyYuPTzFeEkWGs0= Received: by 10.86.89.1 with SMTP id m1mr1287111fgb.66.1209635736747; Thu, 01 May 2008 02:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.26.7 with HTTP; Thu, 1 May 2008 02:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:55:36 +0200 From: "Bart Van Assche" To: "David Woodhouse" Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, "Paul Gortmaker" , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Tim Bird" In-Reply-To: <1209577483.25560.405.camel@pmac.infradead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1209577483.25560.405.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:44 PM, David Woodhouse wrote: > Add Paul and myself, and the linux-embedded list, to MAINTAINERS. > > Signed-off-by: David Woodhouse > Signed-off-by: Paul Gortmaker > > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS > index bca09ed..3650ed1 100644 > --- a/MAINTAINERS > +++ b/MAINTAINERS > @@ -1550,6 +1550,14 @@ M: raisch@de.ibm.com > L: general@lists.openfabrics.org > S: Supported > > +EMBEDDED LINUX > +P: Paul Gortmaker > +M: paul.gortmaker@windriver.com > +P David Woodhouse > +M: dwmw2@infradead.org > +L: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org > +S: Maintained > + > EMULEX LPFC FC SCSI DRIVER > P: James Smart > M: james.smart@emulex.com It's great that more attention is being paid to the use of Linux in embedded systems. And the MAINTAINERS file is probably the right file to add the above information. But I'm afraid that the way the above information is formatted will cause confusion. As an example, recently there was a driver added to the Linux kernel for the PCF8575 chip. This is an I2C chip that is only used in embedded systems. Regarding driver review, should any such drivers be sent to the I2C mailing list, the embedded mailing list or both ? The MAINTAINERS file should be clear on this. Bart. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From dwmw2@infradead.org Thu May 1 03:02:51 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 03:03:02 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751608AbYEAKDB (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 06:03:01 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752183AbYEAKDB (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 06:03:01 -0400 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:37576 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751608AbYEAKDA (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 06:03:00 -0400 Received: from pmac.infradead.org ([2001:8b0:10b:1:20d:93ff:fe7a:3f2c]) by pentafluge.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.68 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1JrVcq-0006G4-5m; Thu, 01 May 2008 10:02:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list From: David Woodhouse To: Andi Kleen Cc: Tim Bird , torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20080501095822.GL20451@one.firstfloor.org> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> <48190B5F.9010505@am.sony.com> <20080501095822.GL20451@one.firstfloor.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:02:51 +0100 Message-Id: <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-1.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 11:58 +0200, Andi Kleen wrote: > But I think CONFIG is not the right way to solve this. The right way > is for someone to take a look at new core features in linux-next/mm > and see how much code size growth they have and then complain if they > are significant and work with the submitter to make it better or offset > changes by reducing other areas. For example each significant code growth > should be justified with clear advantages, but right now nobody looks > at that and challenges people. In fact I commented on that occasionally > in my reviews and sometimes good pure misunderstanding and unbelief on the i > ssue. That is something the embedded stake holders need to change I think. > > CONFIG if anything should be only last resort when everything else failed > there. To a large extent, I agree. I certainly don't want to focus solely on code size; there's a lot more to embedded Linux than that. But it _is_ an issue. There are some cases where we really _do_ want to have CONFIG options, but I agree that we should keep them to a minimum. And when we _do_ have CONFIG options, they don't have to litter the actual code with ifdefs. We're quite capable of having "function calls" which in some configurations just turn out to be empty macros, etc... > Also then not all kernel code growth is the same. Also there is code growth > and code growth anyways. you don't specify what is resource constrained. Is > it flash or is it RAM? He wasn't talking about one specific system. There'll be an element of both. > If it's RAM first I believe you can get much > more result-for-invested-work-and-maintenance-impact by focussing on dynamic > memory allocations than on code size. I did a presentation about that a couple > of years ago with some numbers > (http://halobates.de/memory.pdf and http://halobates.de/memorywaste.pdf) > And CONFIG is definitely not the right way to approach that, the right > way is better data structures, better algorithms to size tables, just > some general care etc. Stuff like shrinking the rbtree structure by encoding the colour in the low bits of the parent pointer, perhaps? :) > If it's flash that is the problem that is more difficult. First if you > don't do XIP you can just use a better compression algorithm and get > a lot of slack for free. Potentially at a cost of higher boot time, which is another commonly-cited issue for such devices. > If it's XIP then you might need to do some real code size reductions > (including __init). I've never been that convinced about XIP. Flash is more expensive than RAM, and cheap flash is NAND and not XIP-able these days anyway. The only really convincing motivation for XIP would be the _power_ budget, and if your power budget is _that_ tight, then often you'd be better off with something like eCos instead of Linux anyway. > I think one solution would be making code size and memory size impact > analysis general part of the code review / linux-next/mm testing > process. But really focus on the code itself, not on its CONFIG. CONFIG > is just the easy way out, but it's also the wrong one. Don't worry -- we're not going to start seeing a flurry of patches adding CONFIG options and turning Linux into #ifdef hell :) -- dwmw2 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From dwmw2@infradead.org Thu May 1 03:05:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 03:06:08 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751452AbYEAKGH convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 06:06:07 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750829AbYEAKGH (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 06:06:07 -0400 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:37599 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750827AbYEAKGD (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 06:06:03 -0400 Received: from pmac.infradead.org ([2001:8b0:10b:1:20d:93ff:fe7a:3f2c]) by pentafluge.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.68 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1JrVfs-0006Hm-C3; Thu, 01 May 2008 10:06:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list From: David Woodhouse To: Bart Van Assche Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird In-Reply-To: References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1209577483.25560.405.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:05:59 +0100 Message-Id: <1209636359.25560.512.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-1.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 11:55 +0200, Bart Van Assche wrote: > It's great that more attention is being paid to the use of Linux in > embedded systems. And the MAINTAINERS file is probably the right file > to add the above information. But I'm afraid that the way the above > information is formatted will cause confusion. As an example, recentl= y > there was a driver added to the Linux kernel for the PCF8575 chip. > This is an I2C chip that is only used in embedded systems. Regarding > driver review, should any such drivers be sent to the I2C mailing > list, the embedded mailing list or both ? The MAINTAINERS file should > be clear on this. The I=C2=B2C list would be the best place to send such a patch. You cou= ld also copy it to the linux-embedded list if it's likely to be of interes= t to a reasonable proportion of "embedded" developers, but that wouldn't be the primary route into Linus' tree for most things. I can't really see any way to make that clear in the MAINTAINERS file that wouldn't be clumsy and just as confusing -- I think it'll work out just fine by itself. Do you have a concrete proposal? --=20 dwmw2 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedde= d" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From andi@firstfloor.org Thu May 1 03:41:58 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 03:35:35 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753340AbYEAKff (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 06:35:35 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753182AbYEAKff (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 06:35:35 -0400 Received: from one.firstfloor.org ([213.235.205.2]:51957 "EHLO one.firstfloor.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752595AbYEAKfe (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 06:35:34 -0400 Received: by one.firstfloor.org (Postfix, from userid 503) id E8B87189004A; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:41:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:41:58 +0200 From: Andi Kleen To: David Woodhouse Cc: Andi Kleen , Tim Bird , torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Message-ID: <20080501104158.GM20451@one.firstfloor.org> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> <48190B5F.9010505@am.sony.com> <20080501095822.GL20451@one.firstfloor.org> <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org > To a large extent, I agree. I certainly don't want to focus solely on > code size; there's a lot more to embedded Linux than that. But it _is_ Not only code size, far more important is dynamic memory consumption. [admittedly we right now lack a good instrumentation framework for this] > There are some cases where we really _do_ want to have CONFIG options, > but I agree that we should keep them to a minimum. And when we _do_ have > CONFIG options, they don't have to litter the actual code with ifdefs. The problem I see is more that really nobody can even compile not alone test all these combinations anymore. Hidding the problem in inlines does not solve that. And no randconfig is not the solution either. > > of years ago with some numbers > > (http://halobates.de/memory.pdf and http://halobates.de/memorywaste.pdf) > > And CONFIG is definitely not the right way to approach that, the right > > way is better data structures, better algorithms to size tables, just > > some general care etc. > > Stuff like shrinking the rbtree structure by encoding the colour in the > low bits of the parent pointer, perhaps? :) Whatever pays off. -Andi -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From bart.vanassche@gmail.com Thu May 1 04:12:20 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 04:12:24 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754811AbYEALMY convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 07:12:24 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753394AbYEALMX (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 07:12:23 -0400 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]:11323 "EHLO fg-out-1718.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755314AbYEALMW convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 07:12:22 -0400 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so511288fgg.17 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 04:12:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+gdXo9FfpeD/8uTLoCJb4cQfWjXW75G3ISD0qubJ6Zs=; b=wmi8KiGCezC4STVaYhrAJewF7sqQ5bRCn77Z2UGOi8lP+baCxgB6n3mXqz1eGv7ZnwwS4vW1bVXgC1YduOrrXbncg1MgrVCAoX4qMgtvm6kCheTCB+ND6sG4kwDaQhW8M7iqzWvKsxCNGYOcFMKHMM0ASCudQYADtN8Vj7AFD5U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i463a1qooRen8fSGvpH4ZY6c9PLjqr91qoJzL4WcL2SL417HKFqJ22mDknK6ikYRU3f7hgSTXZh/cVIq4aiQc940bLUdj5VpFDq2pIQqDDT1DubfCaCLbRpC1/QGG4qom1w6lh6CzhJId8FP+RibOpg/ogbkP3f8+CHTktDpvk8= Received: by 10.86.97.7 with SMTP id u7mr1096573fgb.19.1209640340875; Thu, 01 May 2008 04:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.26.7 with HTTP; Thu, 1 May 2008 04:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:12:20 +0200 From: "Bart Van Assche" To: "David Woodhouse" Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, "Paul Gortmaker" , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Tim Bird" In-Reply-To: <1209636359.25560.512.camel@pmac.infradead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Disposition: inline References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1209577483.25560.405.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1209636359.25560.512.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, David Woodhouse = wrote: > On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 11:55 +0200, Bart Van Assche wrote: >> It's great that more attention is being paid to the use of Linux in >> embedded systems. And the MAINTAINERS file is probably the right fil= e >> to add the above information. But I'm afraid that the way the above >> information is formatted will cause confusion. As an example, recent= ly >> there was a driver added to the Linux kernel for the PCF8575 chip. >> This is an I2C chip that is only used in embedded systems. Regarding >> driver review, should any such drivers be sent to the I2C mailing >> list, the embedded mailing list or both ? The MAINTAINERS file shoul= d >> be clear on this. > > The I=B2C list would be the best place to send such a patch. You coul= d > also copy it to the linux-embedded list if it's likely to be of inter= est > to a reasonable proportion of "embedded" developers, but that wouldn'= t > be the primary route into Linus' tree for most things. > > I can't really see any way to make that clear in the MAINTAINERS file > that wouldn't be clumsy and just as confusing -- I think it'll work o= ut > just fine by itself. Do you have a concrete proposal? The information present in the current MAINTAINERS file is such that given the name(s) of the source files affected by a patch, one can look up the appropriate mailing list(s) and maintainer(s) to send the patch to. Information about embedded maintainer(s) is different: it's not about maintaining specific source files but about general discussions with regard to kernel changes for embedded systems. Maybe there should be two sections in the MAINTAINERS file, one for maintainers of specific source trees and another section for coordinators of specific usage scenario's of the Linux kernel ? Bart. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedde= d" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From kristoffer.ericson@gmail.com Fri May 2 04:58:12 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 05:55:52 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759892AbYEBMzw convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 08:55:52 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1760112AbYEBMzw (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 08:55:52 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]:6104 "EHLO ug-out-1314.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1759892AbYEBMzv convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 08:55:51 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id h3so22168ugf.16 for ; Fri, 02 May 2008 05:55:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=+JJm4O2c6jlCgEOc7/ZvVlrGy0FC35aYRrDq0hszyiE=; b=kFP69rfpLzQroTDZq5clD4Zkk85eckuvuNPwugaTaoBUWQy3IDY4SFzdqhuequUwAu00fvXD42lRhdR9vwkRDvMbxptYP9MB0k7D2AlPHh7zJz/GiV5jDDTI9IIZiNg9eLFaO/McNl/Ka/sX2glYtqYDAPzF7c2ql/f9Q5tJvUc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=HJpkfednRBGwptnlXvB/vGQsJvgeuS5B7Y4eyYXO8JE+nUa87qwX8WYTx0XEv00H2KDz4ho7qfyfK+7BV8mLR1Q9T4J9F2UAUz5fvJTHLI7+vEn8jlGynOHJy3TWEPAfpI1K3skqGnKoTvQXIsegqArL4wuVLrOkGjvSsmW3ec4= Received: by 10.67.115.4 with SMTP id s4mr11014349ugm.1.1209732948431; Fri, 02 May 2008 05:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NightCrawler ( [62.209.186.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u14sm3456907gvf.6.2008.05.02.05.55.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 02 May 2008 05:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:58:12 +0200 To: David Woodhouse Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Gortmaker , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tim Bird Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Message-Id: <20080502135812.b9544959.Kristoffer.Ericson@Gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Organization: JLime X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.8 (GTK+ 2.12.9; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE From: Kristoffer Ericson Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:42:02 +0100 David Woodhouse wrote: > Andrew Morton has been saying recently that we need an 'embedded > maintainer', to take responsibility for 'embedded issues' in the core > kernel, as well as trying to improve our relationship with those usin= g > the Linux kernel for 'embedded' devices -- who have a reputation of > not working with us very closely; to their detriment as well as our > own. Sounds like a good idea. I doubt it will change much concerning develop= ment but it would be good to have some "representation" for embedded stuff. >=20 > Various people, including myself, have been doing that kind of thing > on and off over the years anyway, but Andrew is probably right that > it's worth having someone listed in the MAINTAINERS file who actually > considers it their responsibility, and as a point of contact for > people seeking advice, review, etc. >=20 Agreed. > I've volunteered to take a more active r=F4le in this, and Wind River > has agreed to assign Paul Gortmaker to it, too. The following patch > adds both of us to the MAINTAINERS file. >=20 > We have also set up a mailing list, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, > where development related to embedded stuff can happen in a slightly > less noisy environment than the main linux-kernel list. We'd like to > encourage anyone working on Linux in embedded devices to join the lis= t. >=20 > --=20 > dwmw2 >=20 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kerne= l" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ --=20 Kristoffer Ericson -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedde= d" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From penberg@cs.helsinki.fi Fri May 2 08:00:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 08:00:48 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758655AbYEBPAr (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 11:00:47 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756561AbYEBPAr (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 11:00:47 -0400 Received: from el-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.162.183]:39450 "EHLO el-out-1112.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753406AbYEBPAq (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 11:00:46 -0400 Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n30so562740elf.21 for ; Fri, 02 May 2008 08:00:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=yUSbBBjKniD+8eO4RZwFZ8F/lHOOaguEKLEZp6NY/MY=; b=Gzh/MZpiu0GWILH9N3V4eucSsdW3wM2JDzQ9mbBu+X1rvS2lsTzf+GE2p3BpRp+Ogg+cwmt1JJVtygtRxUBYtb4OE364+8PeKXlXyPPau5OP1uZrrziUc5agziieXUWy1VMadv3pc6eLcdjU5eubaPa3scqE/tZ5ltQ+MDN2bKI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=goZvenygxm9VZhHzPLLMeB94Eplnkzmz3QOruIKEaZeGazlhVp0lQjBy5Rvbigao8mj7hTAVkdnvW8UdKZuICi1JFbx10pRG5uA05z4J4xb8LvdgW5tqurJgwcout5POIkW9hQEiM3uoR1vGIP5BzKJ++V9jBmaRPzTH6dMS+uk= Received: by 10.141.197.8 with SMTP id z8mr1383849rvp.285.1209740443975; Fri, 02 May 2008 08:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.203.15 with HTTP; Fri, 2 May 2008 08:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <84144f020805020800w765c5248r6dba93240230b983@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 18:00:43 +0300 From: "Pekka Enberg" To: "Andi Kleen" Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Cc: "David Woodhouse" , "Tim Bird" , torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, "Paul Gortmaker" , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Eduard-Gabriel Munteanu" In-Reply-To: <20080501104158.GM20451@one.firstfloor.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> <48190B5F.9010505@am.sony.com> <20080501095822.GL20451@one.firstfloor.org> <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080501104158.GM20451@one.firstfloor.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e2643dd9c07a93b1 Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Hi Andi, On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Andi Kleen wrote: > > To a large extent, I agree. I certainly don't want to focus solely on > > code size; there's a lot more to embedded Linux than that. But it _is_ > > Not only code size, far more important is dynamic memory consumption. > [admittedly we right now lack a good instrumentation framework for this] There's a Google Summer of Code project going on now to implement such instrumentation: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/linux/appinfo.html?csaid=E749E676AD70FBB0 So any suggestions/input on this is obviously welcome. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From eduard.munteanu@linux360.ro Fri May 2 13:01:41 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:09:47 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1764837AbYEBUJr (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:09:47 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1764954AbYEBUJr (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:09:47 -0400 Received: from [194.117.236.238] ([194.117.236.238]:34190 "EHLO heracles.linux360.ro" rhost-flags-FAIL-FAIL-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1764837AbYEBUJq (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:09:46 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 332 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Fri, 02 May 2008 16:09:46 EDT Received: from localhost (82-76-182-196.rdsnet.ro [82.76.182.196] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by heracles.linux360.ro (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m42K1g2p014546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 May 2008 23:01:44 +0300 Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 23:01:41 +0300 From: Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu To: "Pekka Enberg" , "Andi Kleen" Cc: "David Woodhouse" , "Tim Bird" , torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, "Paul Gortmaker" , linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Message-ID: <20080502230141.1788f525@linux360.ro> In-Reply-To: <84144f020805020800w765c5248r6dba93240230b983@mail.gmail.com> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> <48190B5F.9010505@am.sony.com> <20080501095822.GL20451@one.firstfloor.org> <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080501104158.GM20451@one.firstfloor.org> <84144f020805020800w765c5248r6dba93240230b983@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.12.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,HELO_LOCALHOST, RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on heracles.linux360.ro X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/6846/Sun Apr 20 07:06:11 2008 on heracles.linux360.ro X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Hi, I'm the student working on this. I have already implemented tracing for SLAB, SLUB and SLOB, and patched relayfs to work early on (just after kmem_cache_init() runs). Currently, I'm working on the userspace tool, so much of the coding is largely finished. I wanted to submit the relay stuff, but couldn't contact its maintainer. If anyone wants to take a look, I could set up a git repo somewhere (which has to be done anyway, at some point). Cheers, Eduard On Fri, 2 May 2008 18:00:43 +0300 "Pekka Enberg" wrote: > Hi Andi, > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Andi Kleen > wrote: > > > To a large extent, I agree. I certainly don't want to focus > > > solely on code size; there's a lot more to embedded Linux than > > > that. But it _is_ > > > > Not only code size, far more important is dynamic memory > > consumption. [admittedly we right now lack a good instrumentation > > framework for this] > > There's a Google Summer of Code project going on now to implement such > instrumentation: > > http://code.google.com/soc/2008/linux/appinfo.html?csaid=E749E676AD70FBB0 > > So any suggestions/input on this is obviously welcome. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From akpm@linux-foundation.org Fri May 2 13:14:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:17:03 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S935685AbYEBUQu (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:16:50 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S935683AbYEBUQu (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:16:50 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:42156 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932662AbYEBUQt (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:16:49 -0400 Received: from imap1.linux-foundation.org (imap1.linux-foundation.org [140.211.169.55]) by smtp1.linux-foundation.org (8.14.2/8.13.5/Debian-3ubuntu1.1) with ESMTP id m42KEmBl003029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 May 2008 13:14:49 -0700 Received: from akpm.corp.google.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imap1.linux-foundation.org (8.13.5.20060308/8.13.5/Debian-3ubuntu1.1) with SMTP id m42KElvk012469; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:14:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:14:47 -0700 From: Andrew Morton To: Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu Cc: penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, andi@firstfloor.org, dwmw2@infradead.org, tim.bird@am.sony.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, paul.gortmaker@windriver.com, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tom Zanussi Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Message-Id: <20080502131447.ac245099.akpm@linux-foundation.org> In-Reply-To: <20080502230141.1788f525@linux360.ro> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> <48190B5F.9010505@am.sony.com> <20080501095822.GL20451@one.firstfloor.org> <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080501104158.GM20451@one.firstfloor.org> <84144f020805020800w765c5248r6dba93240230b983@mail.gmail.com> <20080502230141.1788f525@linux360.ro> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.4 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.267 required=5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,OSDL_HEADER_SUBJECT_BRACKETED X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4-osdl_revision__1.47__ X-MIMEDefang-Filter: lf$Revision: 1.188 $ X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 140.211.169.13 Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2 May 2008 23:01:41 +0300 Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu wrote: > I wanted to submit the relay stuff, but couldn't contact its maintainer. Send a patch as per Documentation/SubmittingPatches to Andrew Morton linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Tom Zanussi and magic will happen. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From eduard.munteanu@linux360.ro Fri May 2 13:33:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:45:53 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1764937AbYEBUpw (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:45:52 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S935012AbYEBUpv (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:45:51 -0400 Received: from [194.117.236.238] ([194.117.236.238]:44067 "EHLO heracles.linux360.ro" rhost-flags-FAIL-FAIL-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1764937AbYEBUpu (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:45:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (82-76-182-196.rdsnet.ro [82.76.182.196] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by heracles.linux360.ro (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m42KXU7C017061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 May 2008 23:33:31 +0300 Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 23:33:30 +0300 From: Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu To: Andrew Morton Cc: penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, andi@firstfloor.org, dwmw2@infradead.org, tim.bird@am.sony.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, paul.gortmaker@windriver.com, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tom Zanussi Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Message-ID: <20080502233330.6f6e3234@linux360.ro> In-Reply-To: <20080502131447.ac245099.akpm@linux-foundation.org> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> <48190B5F.9010505@am.sony.com> <20080501095822.GL20451@one.firstfloor.org> <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080501104158.GM20451@one.firstfloor.org> <84144f020805020800w765c5248r6dba93240230b983@mail.gmail.com> <20080502230141.1788f525@linux360.ro> <20080502131447.ac245099.akpm@linux-foundation.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.12.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,HELO_LOCALHOST, RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on heracles.linux360.ro X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/6846/Sun Apr 20 07:06:11 2008 on heracles.linux360.ro X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2 May 2008 13:14:47 -0700 Andrew Morton wrote: > Send a patch as per Documentation/SubmittingPatches to > > Andrew Morton > linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > Tom Zanussi > > and magic will happen. > > > I said I couldn't contact the maintainer, not that I don't know who's the maintainer :-). Unfortunately both e-mail addresses of Tom Zanussi don't work (for me). Comcast won't accept my mails (though my mail provider's server looks fine to others), and IBM says there's no 'zanussi' in their directory. I will try again, but will you merge it / contact him otherwise if I find it impossible? Anyway, you will be Cc-ed when I do. BTW, Mathieu Desnoyers is also aware of my patch, and he looked interested in it, if this matters. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From akpm@linux-foundation.org Fri May 2 13:53:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:54:58 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1764542AbYEBUy5 (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:54:57 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S934078AbYEBUy5 (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:54:57 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:51308 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1764542AbYEBUy4 (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:54:56 -0400 Received: from imap1.linux-foundation.org (imap1.linux-foundation.org [140.211.169.55]) by smtp1.linux-foundation.org (8.14.2/8.13.5/Debian-3ubuntu1.1) with ESMTP id m42KrmCM006270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 May 2008 13:53:50 -0700 Received: from akpm.corp.google.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imap1.linux-foundation.org (8.13.5.20060308/8.13.5/Debian-3ubuntu1.1) with SMTP id m42Krm4J014503; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:53:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:53:48 -0700 From: Andrew Morton To: Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu Cc: penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, andi@firstfloor.org, dwmw2@infradead.org, tim.bird@am.sony.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, paul.gortmaker@windriver.com, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, zanussi@us.ibm.com Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Message-Id: <20080502135348.04a0a1c3.akpm@linux-foundation.org> In-Reply-To: <20080502233330.6f6e3234@linux360.ro> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> <48190B5F.9010505@am.sony.com> <20080501095822.GL20451@one.firstfloor.org> <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080501104158.GM20451@one.firstfloor.org> <84144f020805020800w765c5248r6dba93240230b983@mail.gmail.com> <20080502230141.1788f525@linux360.ro> <20080502131447.ac245099.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080502233330.6f6e3234@linux360.ro> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.4 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.271 required=5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,OSDL_HEADER_SUBJECT_BRACKETED X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4-osdl_revision__1.47__ X-MIMEDefang-Filter: lf$Revision: 1.188 $ X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 140.211.169.13 Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2 May 2008 23:33:30 +0300 Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2008 13:14:47 -0700 > Andrew Morton wrote: > > > Send a patch as per Documentation/SubmittingPatches to > > > > Andrew Morton > > linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > > Tom Zanussi > > > > and magic will happen. > > > > > > > > I said I couldn't contact the maintainer, not that I don't know who's > the maintainer :-). > > Unfortunately both e-mail addresses of Tom Zanussi don't work (for me). > Comcast won't accept my mails (though my mail provider's server looks > fine to others), and IBM says there's no 'zanussi' in their directory. Yeah, stuff happens. It never hurts to cc me - I'm kind of the team wicket-keeper. > I will try again, but will you merge it / contact him otherwise if I > find it impossible? Anyway, you will be Cc-ed when I do. It will be handled appropriately ;) > BTW, Mathieu Desnoyers is also aware of my patch, and he looked > interested in it, if this matters. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From akpm@linux-foundation.org Fri May 2 13:53:48 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:55:31 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S936822AbYEBUzO (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:55:14 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932225AbYEBUy5 (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:54:57 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:51308 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1764542AbYEBUy4 (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:54:56 -0400 Received: from imap1.linux-foundation.org (imap1.linux-foundation.org [140.211.169.55]) by smtp1.linux-foundation.org (8.14.2/8.13.5/Debian-3ubuntu1.1) with ESMTP id m42KrmCM006270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 May 2008 13:53:50 -0700 Received: from akpm.corp.google.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imap1.linux-foundation.org (8.13.5.20060308/8.13.5/Debian-3ubuntu1.1) with SMTP id m42Krm4J014503; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:53:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:53:48 -0700 From: Andrew Morton To: Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu Cc: penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, andi@firstfloor.org, dwmw2@infradead.org, tim.bird@am.sony.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, paul.gortmaker@windriver.com, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, zanussi@us.ibm.com Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Message-Id: <20080502135348.04a0a1c3.akpm@linux-foundation.org> In-Reply-To: <20080502233330.6f6e3234@linux360.ro> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> <48190B5F.9010505@am.sony.com> <20080501095822.GL20451@one.firstfloor.org> <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080501104158.GM20451@one.firstfloor.org> <84144f020805020800w765c5248r6dba93240230b983@mail.gmail.com> <20080502230141.1788f525@linux360.ro> <20080502131447.ac245099.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080502233330.6f6e3234@linux360.ro> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.4 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.271 required=5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,OSDL_HEADER_SUBJECT_BRACKETED X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4-osdl_revision__1.47__ X-MIMEDefang-Filter: lf$Revision: 1.188 $ X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 140.211.169.13 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2 May 2008 23:33:30 +0300 Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2008 13:14:47 -0700 > Andrew Morton wrote: > > > Send a patch as per Documentation/SubmittingPatches to > > > > Andrew Morton > > linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > > Tom Zanussi > > > > and magic will happen. > > > > > > > > I said I couldn't contact the maintainer, not that I don't know who's > the maintainer :-). > > Unfortunately both e-mail addresses of Tom Zanussi don't work (for me). > Comcast won't accept my mails (though my mail provider's server looks > fine to others), and IBM says there's no 'zanussi' in their directory. Yeah, stuff happens. It never hurts to cc me - I'm kind of the team wicket-keeper. > I will try again, but will you merge it / contact him otherwise if I > find it impossible? Anyway, you will be Cc-ed when I do. It will be handled appropriately ;) > BTW, Mathieu Desnoyers is also aware of my patch, and he looked > interested in it, if this matters. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ From eduard.munteanu@linux360.ro Fri May 2 13:33:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:46:34 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S936400AbYEBUqL (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:46:11 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S936172AbYEBUpv (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:45:51 -0400 Received: from [194.117.236.238] ([194.117.236.238]:44067 "EHLO heracles.linux360.ro" rhost-flags-FAIL-FAIL-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1764937AbYEBUpu (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:45:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (82-76-182-196.rdsnet.ro [82.76.182.196] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by heracles.linux360.ro (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m42KXU7C017061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 May 2008 23:33:31 +0300 Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 23:33:30 +0300 From: Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu To: Andrew Morton Cc: penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, andi@firstfloor.org, dwmw2@infradead.org, tim.bird@am.sony.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, paul.gortmaker@windriver.com, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tom Zanussi Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Message-ID: <20080502233330.6f6e3234@linux360.ro> In-Reply-To: <20080502131447.ac245099.akpm@linux-foundation.org> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> <48190B5F.9010505@am.sony.com> <20080501095822.GL20451@one.firstfloor.org> <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080501104158.GM20451@one.firstfloor.org> <84144f020805020800w765c5248r6dba93240230b983@mail.gmail.com> <20080502230141.1788f525@linux360.ro> <20080502131447.ac245099.akpm@linux-foundation.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.12.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,HELO_LOCALHOST, RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on heracles.linux360.ro X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/6846/Sun Apr 20 07:06:11 2008 on heracles.linux360.ro X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2 May 2008 13:14:47 -0700 Andrew Morton wrote: > Send a patch as per Documentation/SubmittingPatches to > > Andrew Morton > linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > Tom Zanussi > > and magic will happen. > > > I said I couldn't contact the maintainer, not that I don't know who's the maintainer :-). Unfortunately both e-mail addresses of Tom Zanussi don't work (for me). Comcast won't accept my mails (though my mail provider's server looks fine to others), and IBM says there's no 'zanussi' in their directory. I will try again, but will you merge it / contact him otherwise if I find it impossible? Anyway, you will be Cc-ed when I do. BTW, Mathieu Desnoyers is also aware of my patch, and he looked interested in it, if this matters. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ From akpm@linux-foundation.org Fri May 2 13:14:47 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:17:29 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S936187AbYEBURI (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:17:08 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S935569AbYEBUQu (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:16:50 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:42156 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932662AbYEBUQt (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 16:16:49 -0400 Received: from imap1.linux-foundation.org (imap1.linux-foundation.org [140.211.169.55]) by smtp1.linux-foundation.org (8.14.2/8.13.5/Debian-3ubuntu1.1) with ESMTP id m42KEmBl003029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 May 2008 13:14:49 -0700 Received: from akpm.corp.google.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imap1.linux-foundation.org (8.13.5.20060308/8.13.5/Debian-3ubuntu1.1) with SMTP id m42KElvk012469; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:14:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:14:47 -0700 From: Andrew Morton To: Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu Cc: penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, andi@firstfloor.org, dwmw2@infradead.org, tim.bird@am.sony.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, paul.gortmaker@windriver.com, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tom Zanussi Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Message-Id: <20080502131447.ac245099.akpm@linux-foundation.org> In-Reply-To: <20080502230141.1788f525@linux360.ro> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> <48190B5F.9010505@am.sony.com> <20080501095822.GL20451@one.firstfloor.org> <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080501104158.GM20451@one.firstfloor.org> <84144f020805020800w765c5248r6dba93240230b983@mail.gmail.com> <20080502230141.1788f525@linux360.ro> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.4 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.267 required=5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,OSDL_HEADER_SUBJECT_BRACKETED X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4-osdl_revision__1.47__ X-MIMEDefang-Filter: lf$Revision: 1.188 $ X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 140.211.169.13 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2 May 2008 23:01:41 +0300 Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu wrote: > I wanted to submit the relay stuff, but couldn't contact its maintainer. Send a patch as per Documentation/SubmittingPatches to Andrew Morton linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Tom Zanussi and magic will happen. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ From randy.dunlap@oracle.com Sat May 3 15:24:27 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 15:32:27 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752358AbYECWc0 (ORCPT ); Sat, 3 May 2008 18:32:26 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752433AbYECWc0 (ORCPT ); Sat, 3 May 2008 18:32:26 -0400 Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]:10968 "EHLO rgminet01.oracle.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752353AbYECWcY (ORCPT ); Sat, 3 May 2008 18:32:24 -0400 Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (rgmgw1.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.110]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m43MUstK029925; Sat, 3 May 2008 16:30:54 -0600 Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.2.4) with ESMTP id m43LL53v031886; Sat, 3 May 2008 16:24:51 -0600 Received: from pool-72-90-125-186.ptldor.fios.verizon.net by acsmt359.oracle.com with ESMTP id 9417942881209853469; Sat, 03 May 2008 17:24:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 15:24:27 -0700 From: Randy Dunlap To: Andrew Morton Cc: Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu , penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, andi@firstfloor.org, dwmw2@infradead.org, tim.bird@am.sony.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, paul.gortmaker@windriver.com, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, zanussi@us.ibm.com Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Message-Id: <20080503152427.5daa372b.randy.dunlap@oracle.com> In-Reply-To: <20080502135348.04a0a1c3.akpm@linux-foundation.org> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> <48190B5F.9010505@am.sony.com> <20080501095822.GL20451@one.firstfloor.org> <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080501104158.GM20451@one.firstfloor.org> <84144f020805020800w765c5248r6dba93240230b983@mail.gmail.com> <20080502230141.1788f525@linux360.ro> <20080502131447.ac245099.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080502233330.6f6e3234@linux360.ro> <20080502135348.04a0a1c3.akpm@linux-foundation.org> Organization: Oracle Linux Eng. X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.8.10; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2 May 2008 13:53:48 -0700 Andrew Morton wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2008 23:33:30 +0300 > Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu wrote: > > > On Fri, 2 May 2008 13:14:47 -0700 > > Andrew Morton wrote: > > > > > Send a patch as per Documentation/SubmittingPatches to > > > > > > Andrew Morton > > > linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > > > Tom Zanussi > > > > > > and magic will happen. > > > > > > How did you do that? His most recent emails are from Tom Zanussi and Tom Zanussi > > > > > > > I said I couldn't contact the maintainer, not that I don't know who's > > the maintainer :-). > > > > Unfortunately both e-mail addresses of Tom Zanussi don't work (for me). > > Comcast won't accept my mails (though my mail provider's server looks > > fine to others), and IBM says there's no 'zanussi' in their directory. > > Yeah, stuff happens. It never hurts to cc me - I'm kind of the team > wicket-keeper. > > > I will try again, but will you merge it / contact him otherwise if I > > find it impossible? Anyway, you will be Cc-ed when I do. > > It will be handled appropriately ;) > > > BTW, Mathieu Desnoyers is also aware of my patch, and he looked > > interested in it, if this matters. --- ~Randy -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From akpm@linux-foundation.org Sun May 4 18:52:42 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 18:54:51 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756008AbYEEByj (ORCPT ); Sun, 4 May 2008 21:54:39 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753939AbYEEBya (ORCPT ); Sun, 4 May 2008 21:54:30 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:40956 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753882AbYEEBy3 (ORCPT ); Sun, 4 May 2008 21:54:29 -0400 Received: from imap1.linux-foundation.org (imap1.linux-foundation.org [140.211.169.55]) by smtp1.linux-foundation.org (8.14.2/8.13.5/Debian-3ubuntu1.1) with ESMTP id m451qkqF022321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 4 May 2008 18:52:48 -0700 Received: from y.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imap1.linux-foundation.org (8.13.5.20060308/8.13.5/Debian-3ubuntu1.1) with SMTP id m451qgxE025255; Sun, 4 May 2008 18:52:42 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:52:42 -0700 From: Andrew Morton To: Randy Dunlap Cc: Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu , penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, andi@firstfloor.org, dwmw2@infradead.org, tim.bird@am.sony.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, paul.gortmaker@windriver.com, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, zanussi@us.ibm.com Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Message-Id: <20080504185242.ccd05f1c.akpm@linux-foundation.org> In-Reply-To: <20080503152427.5daa372b.randy.dunlap@oracle.com> References: <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> <48190B5F.9010505@am.sony.com> <20080501095822.GL20451@one.firstfloor.org> <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080501104158.GM20451@one.firstfloor.org> <84144f020805020800w765c5248r6dba93240230b983@mail.gmail.com> <20080502230141.1788f525@linux360.ro> <20080502131447.ac245099.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080502233330.6f6e3234@linux360.ro> <20080502135348.04a0a1c3.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080503152427.5daa372b.randy.dunlap@oracle.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.8 (GTK+ 2.12.5; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.273 required=5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,OSDL_HEADER_SUBJECT_BRACKETED X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4-osdl_revision__1.47__ X-MIMEDefang-Filter: lf$Revision: 1.188 $ X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 140.211.169.13 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, 3 May 2008 15:24:27 -0700 Randy Dunlap wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2008 13:53:48 -0700 Andrew Morton wrote: > > > On Fri, 2 May 2008 23:33:30 +0300 > > Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2 May 2008 13:14:47 -0700 > > > Andrew Morton wrote: > > > > > > > Send a patch as per Documentation/SubmittingPatches to > > > > > > > > Andrew Morton > > > > linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > > > > Tom Zanussi > > > > > > > > and magic will happen. > > > > > > > > > > How did you do that? It just what I had in my email client's address book. > His most recent emails are from > Tom Zanussi and > Tom Zanussi Quite a lot of kernel developers use quite a lot of email addresses and it's rather a pita. People perhaps underestimate the value of not being a moving target. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ From vb@vsbe.com Thu May 22 10:24:38 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 10:24:41 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753851AbYEVRYl (ORCPT ); Thu, 22 May 2008 13:24:41 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754196AbYEVRYl (ORCPT ); Thu, 22 May 2008 13:24:41 -0400 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]:30916 "EHLO fg-out-1718.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753851AbYEVRYj (ORCPT ); Thu, 22 May 2008 13:24:39 -0400 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so92661fgg.17 for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 10:24:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=6w9L19iGLxQNX9bDCEI06Bmu/gVvWF+6ULigUttZ9cI=; b=Oc+ENlSkL3aaQ3nHBpw8DBDPkNwTcoAWap3ehzCrN11vJQb8wwsPgnnEAp+O/i9G1AnslQz3O/uzAJ6oCKq/EhiQDoQZWob5x5SjYSg1qxuvqCrwvpGPtYh3gqVPRjuiZOYIlKflJ8+00xfvd4/CZ8K+nowmagCzKSn46m+R8ZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=EyiaG19HciczGgez7a2pyOG8pH6MQ6vB/Out8WosaUDJegZZSBaLwPIIZ+G4ogSDmRYpA607oXMoGVFRBtNIjIKuXVrAUOAuK8CAsmRutQYqiasf5iZcPAfdgVOOAti23ZkpmMkFyjmL+3ruB5cgT+Y21KghjemfeOHVMtGYUWM= Received: by 10.86.52.6 with SMTP id z6mr146476fgz.48.1211477078241; Thu, 22 May 2008 10:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.9.11 with HTTP; Thu, 22 May 2008 10:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:24:38 -0700 From: vb To: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Subject: problems bringing up CF based file system (2.6.25) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: f07bdeed2274b9c1 Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 157 Gentlemen, while in the process of porting a 2.6.18 based embedded ppc8541 platform into 2.6.25 (moving the BSP from arch/ppc to arch/powerpc along the way) I have a problem I don't seem to be able to solve: how to make the IDE driver engage for the onboard CF card? There is no initird, so the system is supposed to come up with the root file system on the card. I do call ide_init_hwif_ports() and then ide_register_hw() early in the BSP, and I see the drivers/ide/ide-disk.c:idedisk_init() called later on, but I never see drivers/ide/ide-disk.c:ide_disk_probe() called. This is all there is regarding IDE printed on the console when the system is trying to boot: Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx Do I have to describe the CF card in the dreaded DTS file (I don't see any reference to IDE in the prom*.c and friends though). Is there any write up/howto on how to make this work - any hints will be highly appreciated. TIA, Vadim -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From dwmw2@infradead.org Thu May 22 10:52:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 10:52:37 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753633AbYEVRwh (ORCPT ); Thu, 22 May 2008 13:52:37 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755231AbYEVRwg (ORCPT ); Thu, 22 May 2008 13:52:36 -0400 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([18.85.46.34]:32801 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753633AbYEVRwg (ORCPT ); Thu, 22 May 2008 13:52:36 -0400 Received: from pmac.infradead.org ([2001:8b0:10b:1:20d:93ff:fe7a:3f2c]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.68 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1JzExu-00061e-67; Thu, 22 May 2008 17:52:34 +0000 Subject: Re: problems bringing up CF based file system (2.6.25) From: David Woodhouse To: vb Cc: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:52:31 +0100 Message-Id: <1211478751.21380.462.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-2.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by bombadil.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 192 On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 10:24 -0700, vb wrote: > Do I have to describe the CF card in the dreaded DTS file (I don't see > any reference to IDE in the prom*.c and friends though). Yes, you do. Use libata instead of the old IDE driver, and see pata_of_platform. Assuming the thing is in a real IDE port and is in 'True IDE' mode, rather than being in PCMCIA mode? -- dwmw2 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From tim.bird@am.sony.com Fri May 23 13:59:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:11:21 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755078AbYEWVLU (ORCPT ); Fri, 23 May 2008 17:11:20 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755670AbYEWVLU (ORCPT ); Fri, 23 May 2008 17:11:20 -0400 Received: from outbound-sin.frontbridge.com ([207.46.51.80]:59691 "EHLO outbound10-sin-R.bigfish.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755587AbYEWVLT (ORCPT ); Fri, 23 May 2008 17:11:19 -0400 Received: from outbound10-sin.bigfish.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by outbound10-sin-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A8818528CD for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 21:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail180-sin-R.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.40.3]) by outbound10-sin.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF09198004D for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 21:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail180-sin (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail180-sin-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7AD15B01E7 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 21:08:50 +0000 (UTC) X-BigFish: VP X-MS-Exchange-Organization-Antispam-Report: OrigIP: 160.33.66.75;Service: EHS Received: by mail180-sin (MessageSwitch) id 1211576930154764_31946; Fri, 23 May 2008 21:08:50 +0000 (UCT) Received: from mail8.fw-sd.sony.com (mail8.fw-sd.sony.com [160.33.66.75]) by mail180-sin.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B11A678067 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 21:08:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail1.sgo.in.sel.sony.com (mail1.sgo.in.sel.sony.com [43.130.1.111]) by mail8.fw-sd.sony.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m4NL8mKj027437 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 21:08:48 GMT Received: from ussdixhub21.spe.sony.com ([43.130.141.76]) by mail1.sgo.in.sel.sony.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m4NL8mQj012751 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 21:08:48 GMT Received: from USSDIXRG02.am.sony.com (43.130.140.32) by ussdixhub21.spe.sony.com (43.130.141.76) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.240.5; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:08:48 -0700 Received: from ussdixms03.am.sony.com ([43.130.140.23]) by USSDIXRG02.am.sony.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 23 May 2008 14:08:48 -0700 Received: from timdesk.am.sony.com ([43.135.148.222]) by ussdixms03.am.sony.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 23 May 2008 14:08:43 -0700 Message-ID: <4837301E.6090505@am.sony.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:59:10 -0700 From: Tim Bird User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-embedded Subject: Acceptable use, and archives for this list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2008 21:08:43.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E98FF70:01C8BD19] Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Hi all, I don't think this list has gotten much advertisement yet, though I see it already has 91 subscribers. I am wondering about acceptable use for the list. Does it have the same usage guidelines as LKML? I avoid sending things like notifications about embedded Linux conferences to LKML. Is this something I should also avoid on this list? I presume that the scope of the list is the kernel. Hence, discussions about middleware or user-space program would not be appropriate unless they related to a kernel feature under discussion. Is this correct? The reason I ask is that I'd like to position celinux-dev correctly with respect to this list. I think I'll likely leave celinux-dev running, but I want to push discussions to the right list. Also, will the list be archived anywhere? There no archive listed on vger.kernel.org. Is the general policy for vger lists to have them externally archived? Finally, who is the administrator of the list? Regards, -- Tim ============================= Tim Bird Architecture Group Chair, CE Linux Forum Senior Staff Engineer, Sony Corporation of America ============================= -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From sam@ravnborg.org Fri May 23 14:43:23 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:42:45 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755655AbYEWVmp (ORCPT ); Fri, 23 May 2008 17:42:45 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756840AbYEWVmp (ORCPT ); Fri, 23 May 2008 17:42:45 -0400 Received: from pasmtpa.tele.dk ([80.160.77.114]:39208 "EHLO pasmtpA.tele.dk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755655AbYEWVmo (ORCPT ); Fri, 23 May 2008 17:42:44 -0400 Received: from ravnborg.org (0x535d98d8.vgnxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [83.93.152.216]) by pasmtpA.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DD4800CA2; Fri, 23 May 2008 23:42:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ravnborg.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 5F9B8580D9; Fri, 23 May 2008 23:43:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:43:23 +0200 From: Sam Ravnborg To: Tim Bird Cc: linux-embedded Subject: Re: Acceptable use, and archives for this list Message-ID: <20080523214323.GA942@uranus.ravnborg.org> References: <4837301E.6090505@am.sony.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4837301E.6090505@am.sony.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Hi Tim. On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 01:59:10PM -0700, Tim Bird wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't think this list has gotten much advertisement yet, though I see > it already has 91 subscribers. Only a notice on lkml and maybe a bit more. > I am wondering about acceptable use for the list. Does it have the > same usage guidelines as LKML? I avoid sending things like notifications > about embedded Linux conferences to LKML. Is this something I should > also avoid on this list? Speaking for myself here... I would like to see directed embedded stuff sent from 'know' persons. So not just mindless forwardning. > > I presume that the scope of the list is the kernel. Hence, discussions > about middleware or user-space program would not be appropriate unless > they related to a kernel feature under discussion. Is this correct? > > The reason I ask is that I'd like to position celinux-dev correctly > with respect to this list. I think I'll likely leave celinux-dev > running, but I want to push discussions to the right list. > > Also, will the list be archived anywhere? There no archive listed > on vger.kernel.org. Is the general policy for vger lists to have > them externally archived? vger does not archive but rely on external sources. Anyone can ask Hank (marc.info) and other places to archieve the list. > > Finally, who is the administrator of the list? The vger.kernel.org postadmins. Their contact mail can be found somewhere at vger.kernel.org. HTH, Sam -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From vapier.adi@gmail.com Fri May 23 14:58:31 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:58:48 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758261AbYEWV6s (ORCPT ); Fri, 23 May 2008 17:58:48 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1757712AbYEWV6s (ORCPT ); Fri, 23 May 2008 17:58:48 -0400 Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com ([74.125.46.31]:30279 "EHLO yw-out-2324.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755860AbYEWV6r (ORCPT ); Fri, 23 May 2008 17:58:47 -0400 Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so507601ywe.1 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:58:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=uGcJTg9nU4e6xKZ+bw8GLactPRwDEtOC/KzoY+ZRaOE=; b=xYiAQgkeyCw47bMGRDGKSRhAZsk7Jkpu0cb5APHBTsrTlebfMdv8kfVdOxj3yrSByFtpNYNHLKQziyMX4tnvbSuBukxSAdwIH+B+EvOsL2r6ebNSiaztWK6rDcsQnEOedFSU9GxIl9CDUDWE6P8vJvYwmf27kb6S+WALaEEoCpg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hyf1sOol3F+hWc9zdi/rH2DD5CBuvJn5L3D9HFRQF4K006rweGOiXXCsqZllJSaGpA7UrLi59kl+v3cTpkgvnsOtIfUxK2NNlxnSn0wg7/hj7tgIXb+m4Mb8Iro1MwvXz0E+E5yHu2m4FbEFv3az0oKYeNd+iV8FMbFbcovhBD4= Received: by 10.142.204.18 with SMTP id b18mr518893wfg.126.1211579911795; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.179.5 with HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bd0f97a0805231458k1e591544x53d91d69eb1995f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:58:31 -0400 From: "Mike Frysinger" To: "Sam Ravnborg" Subject: Re: Acceptable use, and archives for this list Cc: "Tim Bird" , linux-embedded In-Reply-To: <20080523214323.GA942@uranus.ravnborg.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4837301E.6090505@am.sony.com> <20080523214323.GA942@uranus.ravnborg.org> Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Sam Ravnborg wrote: > On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 01:59:10PM -0700, Tim Bird wrote: >> I am wondering about acceptable use for the list. Does it have the >> same usage guidelines as LKML? I avoid sending things like notifications >> about embedded Linux conferences to LKML. Is this something I should >> also avoid on this list? > > Speaking for myself here... I would like to see directed embedded stuff > sent from 'know' persons. So not just mindless forwardning. agreed >> Also, will the list be archived anywhere? There no archive listed >> on vger.kernel.org. Is the general policy for vger lists to have >> them externally archived? > > vger does not archive but rely on external sources. > Anyone can ask Hank (marc.info) and other places to archieve the list. it's all about the gmane :) it would seem "gmane.linux.embedded" is already taken by "waste.org" (which seems to be broken/dead), so i guess "gmane.linux.kernel.embedded" would be the next logical step -mike -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From tim.bird@am.sony.com Fri May 23 15:44:15 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 15:55:15 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758912AbYEWWzJ (ORCPT ); Fri, 23 May 2008 18:55:09 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1760709AbYEWWzJ (ORCPT ); Fri, 23 May 2008 18:55:09 -0400 Received: from outbound-sin.frontbridge.com ([207.46.51.80]:5735 "EHLO outbound6-sin-R.bigfish.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1758912AbYEWWzH (ORCPT ); Fri, 23 May 2008 18:55:07 -0400 Received: from outbound6-sin.bigfish.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by outbound6-sin-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C603DA3994D; Fri, 23 May 2008 22:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail154-sin-R.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.40.3]) by outbound6-sin.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57FFC78057; Fri, 23 May 2008 22:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail154-sin (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail154-sin-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973BE10C0385; Fri, 23 May 2008 22:53:56 +0000 (UTC) X-BigFish: VP X-MS-Exchange-Organization-Antispam-Report: OrigIP: 160.33.66.75;Service: EHS Received: by mail154-sin (MessageSwitch) id 1211583236587734_28331; Fri, 23 May 2008 22:53:56 +0000 (UCT) Received: from mail8.fw-sd.sony.com (mail8.fw-sd.sony.com [160.33.66.75]) by mail154-sin.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203D9408054; Fri, 23 May 2008 22:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail1.sgo.in.sel.sony.com (mail1.sgo.in.sel.sony.com [43.130.1.111]) by mail8.fw-sd.sony.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m4NMrsvq024542; Fri, 23 May 2008 22:53:54 GMT Received: from ussdixhub21.spe.sony.com ([43.130.141.76]) by mail1.sgo.in.sel.sony.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m4NMrsa0029329; Fri, 23 May 2008 22:53:54 GMT Received: from USSDIXRG02.am.sony.com (43.130.140.32) by ussdixhub21.spe.sony.com (43.130.141.76) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.240.5; Fri, 23 May 2008 15:53:54 -0700 Received: from ussdixms03.am.sony.com ([43.130.140.23]) by USSDIXRG02.am.sony.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 23 May 2008 15:53:54 -0700 Received: from timdesk.am.sony.com ([43.135.148.222]) by ussdixms03.am.sony.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 23 May 2008 15:53:49 -0700 Message-ID: <483748BF.6050101@am.sony.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:44:15 -0700 From: Tim Bird User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam Ravnborg CC: linux-embedded Subject: Re: Acceptable use, and archives for this list References: <4837301E.6090505@am.sony.com> <20080523214323.GA942@uranus.ravnborg.org> In-Reply-To: <20080523214323.GA942@uranus.ravnborg.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2008 22:53:49.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD635D30:01C8BD27] Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Sam Ravnborg wrote: > Speaking for myself here... I would like to see directed embedded stuff > sent from 'know' persons. So not just mindless forwarding. I'm usually announcing events that I organize, or am heavily involved in, like the Embedded Linux Conference and ELC Europe. I'm still not sure if this would ruffle feathers or not. It's not a kernel topic, per se. But things like Power Management Summits have been announced on linux-pm. -- Tim ============================= Tim Bird Architecture Group Chair, CE Linux Forum Senior Staff Engineer, Sony Corporation of America ============================= -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From sam@ravnborg.org Sat May 24 04:31:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Sat, 24 May 2008 04:31:15 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751790AbYEXLbO (ORCPT ); Sat, 24 May 2008 07:31:14 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751859AbYEXLbO (ORCPT ); Sat, 24 May 2008 07:31:14 -0400 Received: from pasmtpb.tele.dk ([80.160.77.98]:43604 "EHLO pasmtpB.tele.dk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751790AbYEXLbN (ORCPT ); Sat, 24 May 2008 07:31:13 -0400 Received: from ravnborg.org (0x535d98d8.vgnxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [83.93.152.216]) by pasmtpB.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17580E30DD2; Sat, 24 May 2008 13:31:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ravnborg.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 516DB580D9; Sat, 24 May 2008 13:31:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 13:31:53 +0200 From: Sam Ravnborg To: Tim Bird Cc: linux-embedded Subject: Re: Acceptable use, and archives for this list Message-ID: <20080524113153.GB7336@uranus.ravnborg.org> References: <4837301E.6090505@am.sony.com> <20080523214323.GA942@uranus.ravnborg.org> <483748BF.6050101@am.sony.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <483748BF.6050101@am.sony.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 03:44:15PM -0700, Tim Bird wrote: > Sam Ravnborg wrote: > >Speaking for myself here... I would like to see directed embedded stuff > >sent from 'know' persons. So not just mindless forwarding. > > I'm usually announcing events that I organize, or am heavily > involved in, like the Embedded Linux Conference and ELC Europe. > > I'm still not sure if this would ruffle feathers or not. It's > not a kernel topic, per se. But things like Power Management > Summits have been announced on linux-pm. Perfectly fine with me. Try it out and see if people scream. [And make sure to arrange something in the northern part of Europe..] Sam -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From roberto.foglietta@gmail.com Sat May 24 05:17:07 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Sat, 24 May 2008 05:17:18 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751196AbYEXMRK (ORCPT ); Sat, 24 May 2008 08:17:10 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751327AbYEXMRK (ORCPT ); Sat, 24 May 2008 08:17:10 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]:9460 "EHLO ug-out-1314.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751196AbYEXMRJ (ORCPT ); Sat, 24 May 2008 08:17:09 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id h2so50403ugf.16 for ; Sat, 24 May 2008 05:17:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Wpv4lAvkA9/7Yo5IIvGCISVqVj6hmZ9tMH+6hjZXLu0=; b=Bhe0IGqFZsLvAtaC5mAGarkGQQ4kHxXvEnv5vtivq8NafgOZ70RxK1cHlWSvLh73ibhc0b38zwwx28XVGVhuA/bNuTrbLGripfLg5ppW9/n7vB//iv8h+HtfHPc3bnTLOFISAw0Sn5APc8rHMzJ0G0pmrMxJ8d4iEPU86beYOF4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eLYswwi5SfcF6gaF2ECX1ap7zWK8dfQrUJpnunsPuQPusGQhMeBWqOtCXJUP69q8SoUIeaKf84rJW/1bEw+lyfFiYvue2W7dJQ2fZ2RMC1egZUUbUOJbpi4aecBBwyQ/TJ/fkPD6CAKEdSYux0rW0MFca2ypfbSKL0TQRPfdSVA= Received: by 10.67.87.6 with SMTP id p6mr801388ugl.39.1211631427518; Sat, 24 May 2008 05:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.23.16 with HTTP; Sat, 24 May 2008 05:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 14:17:07 +0200 From: "Roberto A. Foglietta" To: "Sam Ravnborg" Subject: Re: Acceptable use, and archives for this list Cc: "Tim Bird" , linux-embedded In-Reply-To: <20080524113153.GB7336@uranus.ravnborg.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4837301E.6090505@am.sony.com> <20080523214323.GA942@uranus.ravnborg.org> <483748BF.6050101@am.sony.com> <20080524113153.GB7336@uranus.ravnborg.org> Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org 2008/5/24 Sam Ravnborg : > On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 03:44:15PM -0700, Tim Bird wrote: >> Sam Ravnborg wrote: >> >Speaking for myself here... I would like to see directed embedded stuff >> >sent from 'know' persons. So not just mindless forwarding. >> >> I'm usually announcing events that I organize, or am heavily >> involved in, like the Embedded Linux Conference and ELC Europe. >> >> I'm still not sure if this would ruffle feathers or not. It's >> not a kernel topic, per se. But things like Power Management >> Summits have been announced on linux-pm. > > Perfectly fine with me. > Try it out and see if people scream. > I agree. > [And make sure to arrange something in the northern part of Europe..] > I agree, again, but I have to inform you that in southern of Europe there is a better weather! ;-) Ciao, -- /roberto -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From weigelt@metux.de Sun May 25 07:07:09 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Sun, 25 May 2008 07:15:48 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752522AbYEYOPr (ORCPT ); Sun, 25 May 2008 10:15:47 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751487AbYEYOPr (ORCPT ); Sun, 25 May 2008 10:15:47 -0400 Received: from s15216962.onlinehome-server.info ([217.160.22.205]:44031 "EHLO s15216962.onlinehome-server.info" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752522AbYEYOPq (ORCPT ); Sun, 25 May 2008 10:15:46 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 494 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Sun, 25 May 2008 10:15:46 EDT Received: (from uucp@localhost) by s15216962.onlinehome-server.info (8.13.3/8.13.3) with UUCP id m4PE7UQj018199 for linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org; Sun, 25 May 2008 16:07:30 +0200 Received: (from weigelt@localhost) by nibiru.metux.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) id m4PE79C6025940 for linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org; Sun, 25 May 2008 16:07:09 +0200 Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 16:07:09 +0200 From: Enrico Weigelt To: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Acceptable use, and archives for this list Message-ID: <20080525140708.GE446@nibiru.local> Reply-To: weigelt@metux.de References: <4837301E.6090505@am.sony.com> <20080523214323.GA942@uranus.ravnborg.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080523214323.GA942@uranus.ravnborg.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Terror: bin laden, kill bush, Briefbombe, Massenvernichtung, KZ, X-Nazi: Weisse Rasse, Hitlers Wiederauferstehung, 42, X-Antichrist: weg mit schaeuble, ausrotten, heiliger krieg, al quaida, X-Killer: 23, endloesung, Weltuntergang, X-Doof: wer das liest ist doof Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org * Sam Ravnborg schrieb: > vger does not archive but rely on external sources. > Anyone can ask Hank (marc.info) and other places to archieve the list. BTW: I'd like to mirror this list to my little forum platform http://freebc.metux.de/ If vger's majordomo let's it through, freebc can also feed pack forum posts to the list - so we wouldn't just have an archive, but an web-forum :) Please let me know whether this is okay for you. cu -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Enrico Weigelt == metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From jsevy@cs.drexel.edu Mon May 26 18:08:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 18:17:47 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754370AbYE0BRc (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 May 2008 21:17:32 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753928AbYE0BRb (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 May 2008 21:17:31 -0400 Received: from tux64-03.cs.drexel.edu ([129.25.9.112]:60456 "EHLO mail.cs.drexel.edu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756567AbYE0BRb (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 May 2008 21:17:31 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 539 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 21:17:30 EDT Received: from [10.0.1.2] (70.44.125.160.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net [70.44.125.160]) by mail.cs.drexel.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5ACCACCEED for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 21:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <483B5F0D.9060302@cs.drexel.edu> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 21:08:29 -0400 From: J Sevy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Subject: Embedded Linux power management Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Hi, kind of a general question for the list concerning the current "state of the art" in power management for handheld embedded Linux devices. In particular: - What are the standards in common use for power management on handhelds? APM, ACPI, or something else? - Is there a general consensus on the "best" approach for power management? - Is Dynamic Power Management (i.e., "speed-stepping") widely used? Thanks for any input. Regards, \ Jon -- ___________________________________________ Jonathan Sevy Geometric and Intelligent Computing Lab Drexel University http://gicl.cs.drexel.edu/sevy ___________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From vapier.adi@gmail.com Mon May 26 18:37:21 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 18:37:23 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752499AbYE0BhW (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 May 2008 21:37:22 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753120AbYE0BhW (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 May 2008 21:37:22 -0400 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.174]:8972 "EHLO wf-out-1314.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752499AbYE0BhW (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 May 2008 21:37:22 -0400 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1901394wfd.4 for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 18:37:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=tIM/Dx42dqtHucIsHFl0K+advfGCKcTBVvFweSDY1fs=; b=ReOxj+uGdRMj46O5Yjk7tTLYes2SwOehZ3I0289Bp4tgnQ9HiYS44X78VmF2uRWz7XBOe6vNozEJLlvsAxsODPG4NicRsdQJ5CPmMvyLGHndaR21ONmw3m1nPDIo4GNVZYjhO1WCi8JZ8NDTRcwqYqE6BMzin8+ACwV/fBfXRZg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Seor8FLy6qilfOKT9Uyta1Q/Agw54ZKoDCI/D1+eozUiQ1KuBgdx6Cdym5e73ST2pnJJpZTa9GwEYVVM9Fy1kT/vNhBYmEJTbNwfm2nkcJNxeZ9Cq7YNrNZPkZwaJdmAhPU9tNHBobd03Ji3TLLKjDLugillWYnxf1vEq2hhQ9o= Received: by 10.143.29.17 with SMTP id g17mr245935wfj.239.1211852241211; Mon, 26 May 2008 18:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.165.3 with HTTP; Mon, 26 May 2008 18:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bd0f97a0805261837y25a3f36fm884f130bba7f9eae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 21:37:21 -0400 From: "Mike Frysinger" To: "J Sevy" Subject: Re: Embedded Linux power management Cc: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <483B5F0D.9060302@cs.drexel.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <483B5F0D.9060302@cs.drexel.edu> Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 9:08 PM, J Sevy wrote: > - What are the standards in common use for power management on handhelds? > APM, ACPI, or something else? at the hardware level, there isnt one really ... each embedded proc does their own thing > - Is Dynamic Power Management (i.e., "speed-stepping") widely used? from what ive seen, if power is a concern, yes -mike -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From vb@vsbe.com Tue May 27 11:08:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 11:09:04 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756104AbYE0SJE (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2008 14:09:04 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1757084AbYE0SJD (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2008 14:09:03 -0400 Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.170.185]:28676 "EHLO rn-out-0910.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757025AbYE0SJB (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2008 14:09:01 -0400 Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k40so1489897rnd.17 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 11:09:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=N3+GOLNoxSmqyRbRuqoWNgwo+4/n3dZ7n7Agy4CruFc=; b=vne9dvT6q5hl1X68wBGZdidUVbXHoY4E/W4MlRBbTWONguwv37T5fF1ieqo515mboI5IgmLf8+GFecm9ujGyB2Fs1Ff1oqyswk385W8VReuXjSJQZwQu0YcVUQ4F+0y+3Qq7tdZ5Lg3MrB6WBTpqXbx3PyMmZCweaoNEfQEzfn4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=jw6SGmMpSSUM43V5tZPpG7q5Mc13cuOsshz5iyaSnsaL0YAxTGlklTpYZ503oyQAm/9BEHHyZzolb8J0Sc7BPHMwN6Ul1kk8hMX/ZxaRzfrNNw9k8QU52Q+CsuBa+D3YndfAze3exOyqX7xQuwNkX/FfV4+PtuA0qHLs3+KNX7w= Received: by 10.115.88.1 with SMTP id q1mr1627120wal.122.1211911733459; Tue, 27 May 2008 11:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.91.19 with HTTP; Tue, 27 May 2008 11:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:08:53 -0700 From: vb To: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: problems bringing up CF based file system (2.6.25) Cc: "David Woodhouse" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1211478751.21380.462.camel@pmac.infradead.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 04c16f3648ab41b0 Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 162 >On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:52 AM, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 10:24 -0700, vb wrote: >> Do I have to describe the CF card in the dreaded DTS file (I don't see >> any reference to IDE in the prom*.c and friends though). > > Yes, you do. Use libata instead of the old IDE driver, and see > pata_of_platform. David, again thank you for this insight. I got to spend some more time on this and (unfortunately!) have some more questions: SCSI support gets added as soon as CONFIG_ATA gets enabled in drivers/ata/Kconfig - is this intentional/necessary? My embedded target sure doesn't have any SCSI hardware, all it needs is a CF card support in true IDE mode. These are config flags added 'automagically' as soon as ATA is enabled does it make sense? CONFIG_SCSI=y CONFIG_SCSI_DMA=y CONFIG_SCSI_LOWLEVEL=y CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_SCSI_WAIT_SCAN=m Also where one can find definitions of the values included in the pata block of the OF tree - specifically for 'pio-mode' and 'reg' as in arch/powerpc/boot/dts/mpc8349emitx.dts: pata@3,0 { compatible = "fsl,mpc8349emitx-pata", "ata-generic"; reg = <0x3 0x0 0x10 0x3 0x20c 0x4>; reg-shift = <1>; pio-mode = <6>; interrupts = <23 0x8>; interrupt-parent = <&ipic>; }; All clues/pointers will be highly appreciated, thank you in advance, /vb -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From rob@landley.net Tue May 27 13:16:18 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 13:23:59 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756270AbYE0UX6 (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2008 16:23:58 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756371AbYE0UX6 (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2008 16:23:58 -0400 Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:45721 "EHLO grelber.thyrsus.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756270AbYE0UX6 (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2008 16:23:58 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 458 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Tue, 27 May 2008 16:23:58 EDT Received: from landley.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314659F0071 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 16:17:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Landley Organization: Boundaries Unlimited To: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Subject: What did I miss? Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:16:18 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200805271516.18507.rob@landley.net> Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 317 Has anybody set up a web archive yet? (If so, the vger lists page doesn't know about it...) If not, could somebody please send me an mbox file of the previous messages? Thanks, Rob -- "One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code." - Ken Thompson. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From dvomlehn@cisco.com Tue May 27 14:57:50 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 14:57:58 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757071AbYE0V56 (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2008 17:57:58 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758349AbYE0V56 (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2008 17:57:58 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72]:34349 "EHLO sj-iport-3.cisco.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757071AbYE0V55 (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2008 17:57:57 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,550,1204531200"; d="scan'208";a="72841027" Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 May 2008 14:57:57 -0700 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m4RLvvDF004355 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 14:57:57 -0700 Received: from cliff.cisco.com (cliff.cisco.com [171.69.11.141]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4RLvu7a026210 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 21:57:56 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([64.101.20.200]) by cliff.cisco.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA23925 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 21:57:56 GMT Message-ID: <483C83DE.3040604@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:57:50 -0700 From: David VomLehn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Subject: Some embedded topics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2811; t=1211925477; x=1212789477; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=dvomlehn@cisco.com; z=From:=20David=20VomLehn=20 |Subject:=20Some=20embedded=20topics |Sender:=20; bh=Q2b+245uYaFqHyNYlt0/5Lg9jd/uPzHIkzHWMuRDYaE=; b=p4mg4j0jTFKjJW/teU7UurtkZRIi75hUDJ7lGmyoltyvfH+fIGts18zshB z8R6SCdaJbtZHYk4kuUxtFRg5tI1F1zY6x04ofWxFpVzEn4uv5kxshvVnj7p OwmSxNYWLBIiFXfPVbKqrLikfin0G5DRwAZ2J+LNmN+0x9NRqXWDQ=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=dvomlehn@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org Since I'm at least partially to blame for creation of this mailing list (I asked Andrew Morton for one at the CELF Conference), I thought I might as well stir things up by throwing a few features out there that I think would improve the Linux kernel for use in the embedded world: Crash Diagnostics ----------------- The single biggest thing we've encountered is the requirement for good diagnostic reports. We have a fat data pipe to our settop box, but the return pipe is way too small for kernel core dumps. As a result, we send failure reports that consist of register and stack dumps for the kernel and current application, backtraces, etc. Even though some of the details are processor specific, there are changes we've made in the generic kernel to support doing this. These will be filtered out gradually as I get time to get them into shape to be submitted. Continuous Logging for Watchdog Timer Expiration ------------------------------------------------ We run with a watchdog timer that can reboot the system. When we reboot, we lose all of our status, making it very difficult to determine what went wrong. Fortunately, there is only one major cause of not refreshing the watchdog--a driver disabled interrupts for so long that the timer function that resets the watchdog timer never had a chance to run. So, a way to log what functions were enable and disabling interrupts on a continuous basis, along with a memory section that wouldn't be overwritten on reboot, would allow capturing the cause for these otherwise "silent" reboots. NVM Filesystems (Separate Metadata?) ------------------------------------ NVM is generally too small to allow for the overhead of filesystem metadata, but being able to access and manage that data without regard for particular allocation would be very useful. The good thing is that the data allocation in NVM is generally static, so data is overwritten but doesn't change size or location. It would be nice to have some facility to have the metadata be separately compiled and then to use the normal open/read/write/close interfaces to use the data. We presently manage allocations with a C header file, but this is awkward and error-prone. On-line Disk Partitioning ------------------------- Server and desktop systems partition their disks at installation time, but some applications require that partitioning be done after we are already using a root filesystem on disk. We only have one disk and the driver specifically prevents changing the partitioning while a disk partition is in use. Note that we don't want to change the root partition, just other partitions. This drives the need for some sort of on-line partitioning that allows changing partitions that aren't in use. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From dwmw2@infradead.org Tue May 27 14:59:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 15:13:16 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756335AbYE0WNQ (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2008 18:13:16 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756520AbYE0WNQ (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2008 18:13:16 -0400 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([18.85.46.34]:59998 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756335AbYE0WNP (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2008 18:13:15 -0400 Received: from pc-a81017.wlan.inet.fi ([194.111.81.17]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.68 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1K17Pu-000879-HB; Tue, 27 May 2008 22:13:14 +0000 Subject: Re: problems bringing up CF based file system (2.6.25) From: David Woodhouse To: vb Cc: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: References: <1211478751.21380.462.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 00:59:11 +0300 Message-Id: <1211925551.2462.88.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-2.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by bombadil.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 11:08 -0700, vb wrote: > SCSI support gets added as soon as CONFIG_ATA gets enabled in > drivers/ata/Kconfig - is this intentional/necessary? Yes. It just appears as a SCSI host; that's how libata works. Your disk will appear as a SCSI disk (/dev/sda). > These are config flags added 'automagically' as soon as ATA is enabled > does it make sense? > > CONFIG_SCSI=y > CONFIG_SCSI_DMA=y > CONFIG_SCSI_LOWLEVEL=y > CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS=y > CONFIG_SCSI_WAIT_SCAN=m Yeah, that looks sane. > > Also where one can find definitions of the values included in the > pata block of the OF tree - specifically for 'pio-mode' and 'reg' as > in arch/powerpc/boot/dts/mpc8349emitx.dts: > > pata@3,0 { > compatible = "fsl,mpc8349emitx-pata", "ata-generic"; > reg = <0x3 0x0 0x10 0x3 0x20c 0x4>; > reg-shift = <1>; > pio-mode = <6>; > interrupts = <23 0x8>; > interrupt-parent = <&ipic>; > }; That question is probably best directed at the linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org list. -- dwmw2 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html From vb@vsbe.com Tue May 27 15:23:36 2008 Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by xenotime.net for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 15:23:41 -0700 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756250AbYE0WXk (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2008 18:23:40 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756511AbYE0WXk (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2008 18:23:40 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.179]:22785 "EHLO py-out-1112.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756250AbYE0WXj (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2008 18:23:39 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so2257676pyb.10 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 15:23:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=zH8fCzL6xKr49mYgykJMQ1XCX6sTS22bitr+qP53Z/0=; b=jHkue4eJ+6xGCHLta+rBd+48FBpDsHYvWLCs3EHSzOTjvZW/SsS95X1MhsKQU+GyoLaJExpw/T8P97fj8ftkhtSQIJZ7iSFHU0ezJQhsq2krtHD5HlpJeu2X2BHrR7PaafmHQtN6u+VpljPPr6kH1pkXJMFr4RsZ53IpxbH0Hzo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=dzbj8HXsIX5fj+AUh8/JHeBE5wKZRu77Afn++mEbe5wM2mW1402gPCIA4gPN+ohGm2Y9bIasDP8O90PWrZC4B2LqFIHZ2ciW+Vy1oWBHIRwIcY9NN9sHeyCPXRfQ8r2NhRgDhJqQ8D+NFZdiKoxozl/X+75qidcze89QlzVq4ks= Received: by 10.115.23.19 with SMTP id a19mr1806182waj.200.1211927016899; Tue, 27 May 2008 15:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.91.19 with HTTP; Tue, 27 May 2008 15:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:23:36 -0700 From: vb To: "David Woodhouse" Subject: Re: problems bringing up CF based file system (2.6.25) Cc: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <1211925551.2462.88.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1211478751.21380.462.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1211925551.2462.88.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 149adb39f6138270 Sender: linux-embedded-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:59 PM, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 11:08 -0700, vb wrote: >> >> CONFIG_SCSI=y >> CONFIG_SCSI_DMA=y >> CONFIG_SCSI_LOWLEVEL=y >> CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS=y >> CONFIG_SCSI_WAIT_SCAN=m > > Yeah, that looks sane. > David, this is such a high price to pay for enabling the CF card IDE access - why would this be required, seems counterintuitive to me. What do you think would be a problem with using the CF card inside the drivers/ide/* framework? cheers, vadim >> >> Also where one can find definitions of the values included in the >> pata block of the OF tree - specifically for 'pio-mode' and 'reg' as >> in arch/powerpc/boot/dts/mpc8349emitx.dts: >> >> pata@3,0 { >> compatible = "fsl,mpc8349emitx-pata", "ata-generic"; >> reg = <0x3 0x0 0x10 0x3 0x20c 0x4>; >> reg-shift = <1>; >> pio-mode = <6>; >> interrupts = <23 0x8>; >> interrupt-parent = <&ipic>; >> }; > > That question is probably best directed at the linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org > list. > > -- > dwmw2 > > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html